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REGARDLESS of the late posting of this message, it's STILL EXTREMELY/POWERFULLY IMPORTANT to be BLATANTLY WARNED about the TRUE MEANING of HALLOWEEN, as well as WHY IT'S CELEBRATED, of which to DEFINITELY BEWARE, preceeding ANOTHER warning within this VERY SAME TOPIC to take SOLID HEED to.
HALLOWEEN: A CELEBRATION OF LUCIFER AND DEATH
From www.trunews.com: "It’s America’s second favorite consumer holiday, with over $6.9 billion spent according to the National Retail Foundation. Approximately 157 million Americans will participate this year, and will unknowingly celebrate an ancient religious holiday of the occult. That day is Halloween.
Most Christians think October 31st is a harmless day of costumes and candy. Few however, know the truth behind this infamous date.
Halloween began as an occultic celebration rooted in Satanism. If this wasn’t shocking enough, America not only fell for this trick, but also has played the disastrous role of exporting this Luciferian propaganda to the rest of the world wholesale, through Hollywood and our mainstream cultural outlets. On Monday October 26th, 2015, Rick Wiles interviewed South African Pastor, Dr. Peter Hammond, the President and Founder of Frontline Fellowships on TRUNEWS. During the interview, Dr. Hammond spoke to how he has witnessed this paradigm directly impact the Christian community, “because of Hollywood, many church’s and even those who would call themselves Bible believing born again Christians, spirit filled Christians, are getting themselves involved in celebrating Halloween or encouraging their children to, which is just absolutely bizarre!”
Pagan Celtic society started Halloween as the festival of Samhain, which was positioned on October 31st to align with the changing temperatures at the beginning of Winter in the Northern Hemisphere. The Celtic Druids believed this change in season signified the loss of strength by the sun god, and the emergence and overpowering by Samhain, the lord of death, as winter began in the west. They also believed that on the eve of November 1st, all the spirits of those who had died the previous year returned to their former homes to be with the living.
Many modern day symbols of Halloween actually originate from symbology of this practice. For example; wicca cages, a now seemingly innocent holiday prop, were initially used to accomplish human and animal sacrifices as shamanists, satanists, and witch doctors placed their victims inside and burnt them alive. The Druids believed this sacrifice was required to please Samhain, and prevent the previously released spirits from harming him.
Another symbol in this ritual many may be familiar with is the jack-o-lantern. Local residents of the day put a carved pumpkin outside their home or on their doors to show their support for the sacrifices. The jack-o-lantern also served as an ancient symbol for a damned soul.
It was a common practice for families to be threatened and cursed if they didn’t support the barbarism. If they agreed with it, they were promised wealth and prosperity. Sound’s a lot like trick or treat right? When the daughter, cat or animal, was being burned alive, the Druids would also dress up in animal skins and do the ‘dance of death’ amidst the screams to ward off evil spirits, hence the wearing of costumes.
Even Dracula, a common hero of Halloween, is connected to a historically gruesome past. Count Dracula, also known as Vlad the Impaler, ruled in Romania for six years during the 15th century. In his short reign he was responsible for the massacre of 100,000 men, women and children. He even warrants the credit for the first house of horrors, hosted in his own palace. There he bought sick, handicapped, elderly, and asked them “do you want to be without cares, lacking nothing in the world?” He then ordered the place boarded up before setting fire to the building, killing all inside.
What would people say if they realized Halloween truly represented animal cruelty and the killing of kids? Or that the event had been responsible for 100,000’s of acts of vandalism and countless murders of children and hitchhikers, snatched for the yearly offerings. Even the Roman Catholic Church recognizes the evil behind this day, and moved All Saints Day to November 1st, where participants head to the graveyards and light candles on tombstones, as they eat with their ancestors in hopes of warding away the evil spirits.
So what happened? How could the modern church have let this continue? Compromise and accommodation are near the top of the list. Aside from delegating blame, the real issue at hand is the fact that all the gatherings, parties, and events surrounding Halloween, including those being held by Christ professing church members, are inadvertently glorifying the Satan, not God.
Peter HammondHammond answered that question by quoting 1st Thessalonians, chapter 5 verses 21-22, “but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil,” where God calls all his believers to reject evil and utilize discernment to identify evil
He also said there is no doubt that discernment has been socially criminalized and our nation has been deceived. Proper understanding of the facts, that truth sets us free, and lies & deception bind us, will be the only thing that leads us away from bondage and slavery, and holds us fast to what is good.
One of the lies slandering active discernment in our congregations, he continued, is that discernment is really just a form of legalism and judgmentalism. “Do not judge,” rings loud and clear from many of our peers lips, as we attempt to warn them against stumbling into evil, but the point being missed is that no one is challenging God’s sole role to cast condemnation, but simply reminding others that He still wants us to think for ourselves, like when were driving a car and deciding on the speed, or the parental choices we make for our children. Peter went on to boisterously state “we seemingly commit a cardinal crime for using any king of thought process.”
Every culture in the world has a form of Halloween, whether it is the Aztec’s Day of the Dead or China’s Ghost Festival. The researchers at Answers in Genesis have postulated that this may have first begun as a day of repentance, remorse, and recognizing the consequence of sin which leads to death. It has, ironically, since evolved into a celebration of death and apathy to repentance and sin.
In the book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 18, verse 9, God instructed us “When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there.” God allowed us to dispose of nations which turn to the occult. Likewise, those that turn from evil are blessed, and those that embrace it befall the same fate as Israel in the Old Testament of the Bible.
During the interview, Dr. Hammond & Rick Wiles agreed that faith is at the lowest since the reformation 500 years ago. But all is not lost. Especially for October 31st, as this date has a much higher significance than that of an anti-Christian worship fest. On October 31st 1517, Dr. Martin Luther nailed 95 arguments to the church door in Gutenberg, Germany, which kick started the greatest rediscovery of the Gospel in known history. If we instead choose to spend this day evangelizing with our children, actively countering the dark narrative of Lucifer, and resisting Satan’s New World Order, this may be a great turning point for the church of Jesus Christ in the world.
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Edward Szall
About Edward Szall
Edward is a US Army veteran who turned to Christ in 2012 & has a fire for bringing truth to the world of online and broadcast media. How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, “Your God reigns!” - Isaiah 52:7"
ANOTHER "BEWARE" warning in my OWN commentary, this time, concerns a NEW GLOBAL SYSTEM that's in the DEVELOPING process, which is SUPPOSED to be launched by 2021, although don't hold me to that year-date, because THIS is according to the TSA (TRANSPORTATION SECURITY (it's either "AUTHORITY," "ASSOCIATION," or ANOTHER "A" word that I'm unsure of). US airports will unleash a BRAND-NEW CHECKPOINT SYSTEM that will entail EYE, FACIAL, and HAND scans, in order for any of us to be cleared for boarding. SUPPOSEDLY, it's ONLY DESIGNED to "PROTECT" us from TERRORIST ACTIVITY (BLAH-BLAH-BLAH-BLAH-BLAH), which FURTHER involves the IMPLANTATION of MICROCHIPS in the ABOVE-MENTIONED AREAS of the BODY. The PERFECTLY-CLEAR BIBLICAL DEFINITION of this so-called "SECURITY SYSTEM" is found in the book of REVELATION, known as "the MARK of the BEAST." EQUALLY CLEAR is the BIBLICAL WARNING that WHOEVER RECEIVES THIS MARK on either their FOREHEAD or in their HAND, or even though the BIBLE didn't say THIS part, but I wouldn't be surprised that it would include ANY/ALL OTHER AREAS of the body, is ETERNALLY DOOMED to the VERY SAME LAKE of FIRE that was ONLY MEANT for LUCIFER and the THIRD of the angels that followed him in their MISERABLY-FAILED BRAZEN ATTEMPT to overthrow the ONLY ONE, TRUE, ETERNAL ALMIGHTY GOD of ALL the UNIVERSE, for WHICH, there's ABSOLUTELY NO PARDON, WHATSOEVER, for. To REALLY break it down, you CAN'T EVER SAY, AFTER the fact, that you DID take it, TOTALLY, or even PARTIALLY UNAWARE, because as YOU'RE READING THIS TOPIC-THREAD, you HAVE BEEN WARNED.
Samhain, pronounced something like sow wen, is a cultural holiday for ethnically Caucasian individuals although now like most holidays celebrated worldwide.
The religions of the East are the ones who have created this misdirection about it being all evil. Sure, it is a harvest holiday, there's all kinds of innuendo about death / winter.
But while most peple would call you racist if you claimed the African American holiday Kwonza (my apologies if I misspelled that) was evil, of the devil, etc., you will go mostly unchallenged on that front for calling an originally European holiday the same. Your belief that it's all evil has more to do with your eastern desert gods than anything else.
And I'm not even sure it applies to all the eastern gods, but certainly to the one that's polymorphed into the sociopolitical influence in the West these days.
wow, so you're saying halloween is evil? sure, I don't believe in it and sure,
you say it's evil but that's what we do now so if you don't like it.. fine.
It's evil. Most people celebrate the devil and do devilish things specificly on this date.
But, warnings? You don't have to join them?
Hahahaha, The guy at least knows how to get attention. Godda give him that much.
I came, I saw *** I left.
Because this was something that we absolutely had to know about...
lol
Its not evil. And from a historical point of view. His message is fucking incorrect.
Chiefly I'm wondering why all this matters anymore. I mean, I read this stuff and I have absolutely nothing to contribute except for the fact that I have absolutely nothing to contribute because it seems to me there's absolutely nothing to say. So, then, I'm left wondering why I'm blathering on about nothing and even bothering to say nothing about nothing. Uh, what'd I just say?
I'm CERTAINLY NOT SURPRISED, ONE BIT, at ANY of the above-responses, ONLY BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, as I CONSTANTLY REMIND you: it's CERTAINLY NOT ME that you oppose, mock, distain, blaspheme, disreverence, etc.--I'M only the CARRIER of the message, NOT the MESSAGE, ITSELF, ALTHOUGH I WHOLE-HEARTEDLY SUPPORT, ENDORSE, and FULLY TRUST the VERY MESSAGE to be SOLID, ETERNAL TRUTH, obviously. TOTALLY REGARDLESS of the UNMISTAKABLE FACT that if YOU would RATHER "love DARKNESS, than love the LIGHT, which CLEARLY EXPLAINS the VERY NATURE of your UTTER REJECTION of GOD'S LOVE, TRUTH, and ULTIMATELY, what could be YOUR ETERNAL HOME with HIM, you're not hurting me, EVER, even though, of COURSE, I DO pity you, and UNLESS you've TOTALLY HARDENED TOO MUCH of YOUR HEART for perhaps WAY TOO LONG, to the VERY POINT that JUST LIKE PHARAOH in the VERY END, after ENOUGH of ALL the WARNINGS, PLAGUES, and so on, STILL weren't enough for him to OBEY, NOT MOSES, who was ONLY the CARRIER of GOD'S MESSAGE, but GOD, the VERY ABSOLUTE-CORE SOURCE of the MESSAGE, HIMSELF, COMMANDING PHARAOH to RELEASE the ISRAELITES from EGYPTIAN CAPTIVITY/SLAVERY, that GOD FINALLY ACTUALLY HELPED to FURTHER the HARDNESS of PHARAOH'S HEART, YOU, TOO, are in that VERY SAME INDESCRIBABLY TRAGIC and DEVASTATING PREDICAMENT, YOURSELF, it's STILL enough time for you to allow GOD'S TRUTH, ONLY, to be YOUR ETERNAL LIFE-PRESERVER. WARNINGS can ONLY go UNHEEDED but for SO LONG, until it's FOREVER TOO LATE. Why be THAT STUPID, FOOLISH, IDIOTIC, INSANE, WHATEVER, to go THAT FAR, without EVER CONSIDERING this ADDENDUM to this VITAL QUESTION: do you EVER EVEN HAVE a "MICROFRACTION," if you will, of ANY FATHOMABLE IDEA of EXACTLY HOW LONG ETERNITY, ITSELF, actually is?
Now, to YOU, 570RMW1N6 (sounds like a formula for some kind of recipe for a bomb), how is this SUPPOSED "HOLIDAY," which is CLEARLY ASSOCIATED with DESTRUCTION and DEATH not evil, or would you rather continue to throw your tantrum and not explain, NOT that your explanation's NON-CHALLENGEABLE, naturally?
A bomb...
LOL
Ok Folks. You've seen it for yourself. Look what Christianity had done for this poor guy. For only $19.95, you too can wander around blubbering idiocy... But wait! There's more! For only a nominal fee of $5.00, we'll even throw in a bag of Halloween candy. Really, Terrance. Your version of God and his love is down right scarey, and your example makes me want to run as far away as possible. Have you ever wondered whether you were turning more people away from Christ than you bring to him?
It cost that much, huh? Thought I had a coupon someplace.
Can I get Starbusts? Oh, and one of those really, really big tootsie-rolls?
I'll have some novocaine.
Anthony, along with ANYONE ELSE, YOUR CHOICE, and YOURS, ONLY, to REJECT, FIGURATIVELY, the EVER-INCREASINGLY LOUDER SHOUTS of WARNING of EMINENT DANGER at you, ONLY RESULTS in YOUR FREE-WILL DECISION to CONTINUE to RUSH EVEN FASTER toward that CLIFF/BURNING-BUILDING/FLYING-BULLETS-FROM-VIOLENT-GANG-SHOOT-OUT, ETC., which CLEARLY DEFINES YOUR UNMISTAKABLE RESPONSE to the VERY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE that YOU, I, NONE of us, for that matter, even DESERVE, which is the ONLY PROTECTION from the VERY DANGER of the ETERNAL LAKE of FIRE, FOREVER SEPARATED from SUCH LOVE that all I can do is inform you OF, but CERTAINLY CAN'T MAKE you DECIDE to HAVE; in OTHER words, if the VERY INESCAPABLE REALITY of the LAKE of FIRE, BRIMSTONE, EVERLASTING TORMENT, NEVER to be RELIEVED of the INDESCRIBABLY HORRIFIC EXPERIENCE that you'll ALWAYS, ONLY REGRET is ALL THAT APPEALING ENOUGH to you to wanna end up, SELLING your VERY OWN SOUL FOR, MY WARNING you isn't gonna EVER STOP you from making that decision, and ALTHOUGH it'll DEFINITELY BREAK the VERY TENDER HEART of GOD that you've made such a decision, as ALL-POWERFUL as HE ETERNALLY has ALWAYS BEEN, and will ALWAYS BE, EVEN HE can't stop you, ONLY BECAUSE for GOD to ACTUALLY VIOLATE YOUR FREE WILL, which is what ONLY SATAN, to whom YOU'VE SOLD COMPLETELY OUT to, does, TOTALLY NULLIFIES HIM as the ONLY TRUE, HOLY and SOVEREIGN GOD that HE IS, relegating HIM to what SATAN is, which, of COURSE, will NEVER happen, is EQUALLY JUST AS IMPOSSIBLE as it is for SATAN, HIMSELF, to EVER be FORGIVEN and RESTORED back to HEAVEN, to the VERY ANGELIC POSITION that he chose to FOOLISHLY THROW AWAY in his FAILED ATTEMPT to dethrone GOD, which ONLY MEANS that YOUR CHOICE to go to HELL for ALL ETERNITY isn't MY fault, JUST BECAUSE I'm ONLY WARNING you AGAINST that choice. If either YOU or ANYONE ELSE that's reading this wants to put me on "IGNORE," by ALL MEANS, DO so, because I'VE already DONE MY part, which is to WARN, but ONLY in the VERY LOVE of the FATHER, HIMSELF, NOT through SELF-RIGHTEOUS JUDGING, because I, TOO, deserve hell. The ONLY REASON I'm NOT headed there is because of JESUS'S UNCONDITIONAL LOVE that I'VE chosen to be chosen through, when HE chose to SACRIFICE HIS LIFE for MINE.
A major part of the evangelical mind set is to "shake out what can be shaken
out," to demonstrate their difference from the rest of society.
Terrance et al imagine themselves to be the few, the Chosen, the Saved. The
New Testament of their text constantly describes them as the Persecuted, the
Few, the Elite. In short, they imagine themselves to be the Navy Seals among
Christians. Only real Navy Seals do not disrespect all other service people, even
though they are an elite force. That respect for other service people doesn't in
any way compromise their eliteness or special position.
So that is why I say the evangelicals *imagine* themselves to be the Navy
Seals of Christianity. If they really knew it, as actual Navy Seals know their
status, they would not need to constantly indicate their difference from the rest
of the Christians.
I know some evangelicals who call liberal Christians atheists and humanists.
Sound familiar? Well, the Roman oligarchy used to call Christians atheists.
I know many left-leaning Christians, my daughter among them, who would tell
you with some indignation that they are * NOT * atheists. But the would-be
navy seals of Christianity try and say as much because they refuse to debate
the Liberal ones on their ideas. That's got to be the most chickenhearted of
positions, IMHO.
LeoGuardian, what makes one a CHRISTIAN ISN'T EVER because one calls him/herself one, and here's why.
From www.letusreason.org: "What is historic authentic Christianity?
Today we have thousands of groups (often categorized as cults) that claim to keep or restored true Christianity. Some major on certain points and issues others add to the word by their own teachers and prophets.
The definition of true Christianity must be found in its source, the Bible. There are numerous doctrines one must hold to have the Christian distinctive. Certain teachings were not accepted and were challenged in the infancy of the church. Some can be found in the Bible. Other challenges are found in early church history.
So we need to find in the Bible the main teachings to know whether we are practicing the Spiritual way Jesus gave us to be the church and called Christian i.e. believers, followers of Christ Jesus.
First and foremost we must believe in the gospel which is about His death; His crucifixion to forgive us our sins and bring us into a relationship with God, our creator. Three points are part of the gospel message, Jesus died (from crucifixion) was buried and rose again unto life eternal in the same body (1 Cor.15:1-4).
Historic Christianity, no matter what denomination or non denomination one may be, adheres to the core doctrines presented in the Bible. And the church preaches Jesus Christ alone for salvation, they are to use the Bible to confirm what they say and practice. It also means they must interpret the Scripture in its whole, in context,distinguishiing the old and New Covenants.
True Christianity does not say one must join a particular church denomination, but a church that teaches and practices the Bible. There were no denominations in the early church, only churches known by their city. Each church was different in how they worked among the people they were placed with. Everyone who is born again becomes part of the church by being put in the body of Christ that had begun at Pentecost.
Christianity is categorized as a religion but it conducts itself as a relationship that works from the inside out. It is about mans heart and soul being changed by God’s Spirit, not about outward rituals or ceremonies he obeys. It is about changing mans sinful condition becoming more like the saviors holinesss. This is the result of the gospel; every believer is given the Holy Spirit to live in them who conforms us as individuals to the savior.
It is life changing in that one is no longer what they were but are being changed from day to day into the image of God’s Son who is Holy. Sin becomes detestable and is resisted to be overcome instead of a lifestyle of repeated harm to oneself and others.
Jesus said we are to be in the world but not of it. In other words we live as others do but our affection is first toward pleasing God, obeying Him. So we avoid following the trends and ways of the world that promote carnality and grow the fallen nature. The ways of the world and philosophies are not to influence us. We are to be separate, following Christ to grow our spiritually through the word of truth. By the Holy Spirit in us , he will teach us what is true and false, confirming it by the Word.
The early church was not about wealth and success, but about the gospel and discipleship; they spoke on sin. The Church grew by being bold and presenting the truth, at the center of the early church was the gospel message (Acts 13:29-39). They taught and encourage the believers in their adversity and trials. Suffering was a way of life to the early Church that was among pagan and heathen cultures.
The early church was devoted readers of God’s Word and also read of other religions and philosophies so they could be equipped to be better at reaching them. They were bold and confronted deceivers in the church that brought in new or distorted teachings, whether it was the Judaizers who held the the old covenants law[s] or the Gnostics. who were into mysticism and spiritualizing words.
Christianity is a new life where there is supposed to be joy in place of depression or anguish. It is a daily transformation by faith - that we no longer depend on our talents or abilities but on God. That He cares for us as his children and whatever is taking place in our life has a reason and a purpose. He does not abandon his children. n.
Most importantly Christianity is based on love, our love toward God and toward our fellow man. We cannot love people correctly without loving God. The success of the primitive Church was living out this love: Galatians 5:13: “but through love serve one another.” Those who were filled with the spirit were bold to witness, to give people the love of God by the gospel message."
sorry, Terrance, but the fear tactics just don't work on me. Besides, when I'm lying on my death bed, I can be saved and I'll still get all the pirks that you get, huh? I can't help but feel a bit of pitty for you, but yeah, if this is what Christianity does to ya, then I'm happy not to be a part of it. Look at you. I mean, really, stop and take a good look.
Mmm, give me some of that destructive, hellish candy, now.
I'll be in my costume and stuff. ahahaha!
I don't even know why you all respond to this fool. He tells people over and over again that they're going to hell like that is going to do anything. It only pushes people away from Christianity.
Um, I jjust want the giant tootsie-roll.
You sure it's the Tootsie-roll you want, big fella? Mmmm, well, they call it everything these days, for sure.
Well, bratwurst, actually, one of those long, thick ones, but we're talking about Halloween, so I didn't wanna be too inappropriate.
Who you gone be Lake, the she Devil?
Sure, why not? ahahaha!
Anthony read his profile; nothing to do with christianity; nuff said.
I did once. Still quite traumatized.
Trust me; I am too. It makes me want to heave ho. :(
In ABSOLUTE RESPONSE to your "sorry, Terrance, but the fear tactics just don't work on me. Besides, when I'm lying on my death bed, I can be saved and I'll still get all the pirks that you get, huh? I can't help but feel a bit of pitty for you, but yeah, if this is what Christianity does to ya, then I'm happy not to be a part of it. Look at you. I mean, really, stop and take a good look" post, DA, what you're HONESTLY SAYING, without saying the ACTUAL WORDS, of course, is that RATHER than accepting the FREELY-GIVEN GIFT that NONE of us, INCLUDING YOURSELF, could EVER DESERVE, that TOTALLY PAID for your ENTIRE SIN-DEBT, as well as MINE, and ALL of EVERYONE ELSE'S, that YOU'D rather SATISFY, COMPLETELY, your OWN. AGAIN: YOUR CHOICE--WHAT SO-CALLED "FEAR TACTICS" am I SUPPOSEDLY attempting to "WORK" on you, which I FAILED MISERABLY AT? If TODAY, for example, was MONDAY, SEPT. 10, 2001, and for WHATEVER UNEXPLAINABLY WEIRD, BIZZARRE REASON, I, without EVER knowing if whether or not I was the ONLY ONE, got a PERFECTLY CLEAR HEADS-UP of the IMPENDING DANGER that was to involve the WORLD TRADE CENTER the VERY NEXT MORNING, and LET'S PRETEND that YOU happen to be an employee there, and MY MISSION would've been to MASS-DISPERSE this WARNING MESSAGE via e-mail to ALL WTC employees, MANDATING you, for your VERY OWN SAFETY, to NOT come into work, nor should you be ANYWHERE within CLOSE PROXIMITY of the area, and with ALL of the PROOF of the ACTUAL TIME of morning of when such would take place, and YOU, whether the only one or NOT, had that VERY SAME ATTITUDE, and you went into work the next morning, ANYWAY? What do you HONESTLY THINK that YOUR chance, IF ANY, of survival would've been? WHO would've ULTIMATELY been responsible for YOUR DEATH? NATURALLY, ALL of the CRIMINALS that would've COMMITTED the CRIME, but would they have ALSO been as EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE for LITTERALLY INVADING YOUR BODY and MIND, FORCING you to DECIDE to TOTALLY DISREGARD the VERY MESSAGE that DEFINITELY would've SAVED YOUR LIFE?
ALSO, when you say to me: "Look at you. I mean, really, stop and take a good look," TOTALLY REGARDLESS of your OWN, or ANYONE ELSE'S "belief system," WHAT would be the ABSOLUTE WORSE that YOU fear happening, if I were to ONLY SEE what GOD sees of me, by COMPLETELY IGNORING what YOU think I should see of MYSELF?
Drop dead.
We're not scared though. Lol
You poor pathetic fool. Didn't Harrold Camping let you know that the world already ended?
As a father, there is no conceivable way that I would first create an environment where the daughter would by default be in trouble, with me, and then sacrifice myself to myself to save her from myself, and only if she believed I cared about her even though I left no evidence of my existence to her. And further, when she didn't believe as instructed, send her to the dog pound, a place not designed for girls but for stray dogs.
If doing all that would make any sense, then religion makes sense.
So about 9/11? What's the point of that post?
He's evidently comparing 9/11 saying he's warning you of your eternal damnation should you not swallow hook, line and sinker his philosophy. In other words, we're all doomed to hell just as surely as the folks who died in 9/11. Although several people did get out of the buildings without ever having been warned aforetime; a friend of mine from college was one of them. Obviously he didn't know what was gunna happen until the very moment it did happen, so I guess, uh, that the analogy is meaningless, no?
lol Exactly.
HMMM ... let's see who's REALLY the "POOR, PATHETIC FOOL!" HAROLD CAMPING is YET ANOTHER, as there've been OTHERS BEFORE him, and I CERTAINLY wouldn't be surprised if there are STILL others AFTER him, with FALSE CLAIMS to predict WHEN the world's going to end, USING ACTUAL BIBLICAL PASSAGES, COMPLETELY out of CONTEXT, with THEIR own ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS INTERJECTURES to BACK UP such claims, and EVERY FAILURE was ALWAYS ACCOMPANIED with MORE INCREDIBILITY for yet ANOTHER PLATFORM for NEWLY-FASHIONED CLAIMS, with MORE of the SCRIPTURES taken out of context, or even COMPLETELY OBLITTERATED, with THEIR VERY OWN COMPLETELY CONCOCTED "SCRIPTURE-REPLACEMENTS." If I had the time to REALLY cite TYPICAL EXAMPLES of these accounts, I'll DEFINITELY do it, but for NOW, until LATER ON, when I happen to log back on here, and find you folks "GOING AT IT," still, it CERTAINLY IS TRUE that THIS VERY WORLD that WE'RE LIVING in, with ITS SYSTEM, and ALL SUCH, WILL, INDEED, END--THAT is CERTAINLY CERTAIN. UNLIKE the "HAROLD CAMPING," and ALL OTHERS'S FAILED PREDICTIONS, there's ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURE, WHATSOEVER, ANYWHERE in ALL 66 BOOKS OF the BIBLE, that EVER says EXACTLY WHEN. They ONLY SAY that for ABSOLUTE SURE, THIS WORLD WILL END--it could be TODAY, TOMORROW, WHENEVER. THAT'S not a PREDICTION; it's a WARNING.
Meanwhile, even with Isis and the conflicts in Liberia and the Syrian refugee crisis, we live in the least violent time in human history.
Anyone curious? Go check it out for yourself, crime statistics, worldwide per capita genocide statistics, etc.
Doesn't square too fairly with the persecution-centric ideologies.
But hell, in Terrance's ideology, I'm a reprobate. A Psalm 14:1 fool. They've got more words for us than could fill a library.
I appreciate that mygodchosenbride&i4lifefinally is now having the common courtesy to
put a warning on his extremely stupid topics so that all of us can know exactly what
kind of mess we're getting ourselves into.
Hopefully it wasn't yesterday. I missed it.
Hmmm, maybe it was in history class a second ago.
So very far away,
Maybe it's only yesterday,
In the year 2525,
If man is still alive,
If woman can survive,
They may find ***
That song is crazy but I love it. :)
Yes; very spooky but it's always been one of my faves.
ANYWAY, as I said YESTERDAY, HAROLD CAMPING wasn't the ONLY one to misrepresent END-TIMES PROPHACY. COUNTLESS OTHERS HAVE BEEN, and STILL ARE, DESPERATE ENOUGH to wanna be in the "FALSE-PROPHACY SPOTLIGHT," so of COURSE, they'll hold to ONLY the PARTS of BIBLICAL TEXT that THEY'LL manage to "RE-INVENT," so to speak, which gives them their VERY OWN PLATFORM, upon which, they build their "FORTRESS of LIES," etc., ALL CLAIMING to know what the BIBLE DOESN'T tell us, but it HAS told us how to PREPARE for such time, and ACCURATELY WARNS AGAINST being UNPREPARED. How EACH OF US PREPARES is ENTIRELY UP to US, NOT GOD, or even the DEVIL, but US--GOD'S WORD, ALONE, the BIBLE, is the ONLY BEST PREPARATION KIT ever given to MAN. Now, when I said that it's NOT up to GOD, as far as how we're prepared is concerned, what I mean is that OBVIOUSLY, GOD CAN, WILL, and DOES PREPARE us, ANY of us, INCLUDING THOSE OF YOU that SCOFF, MOCK, and ALL WHATEVER, but HE HAS to have OUR PERMISSION, INITIALLY. Simply WITHOUT our GOD-GIVEN-FREE-WILL PERMISSION, we remain, not only UNPREPARED, but UNPROTECTED.
Of course, you never misinterpret the bible; you wouldn't even think of it. .
welcome to the sausage Sundae Proficy. Look at his profile if you need clarification.
this guy gives chelsi a run for her money
I read his profile and I can't stop laughing, but I'm also quite disgusted.
I'd say Poe's Law, but having seen him around for a few years I unfortunately think he's probably real.
Is THAT ALL you read of my ENTIRE PROFILE? What's your comment about the "WORDS of WISDOM" section? JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW that I'm NOT EXCUSING, AT ALL, the VERY NATURE of the content of my PERSONAL DESCRIPT, of course, NOR am I DENYING any of it, NOR am I even PROUD of it, NEITHER, which CLEARLY DEFINES ME EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED in "WORDS of WISDOM," a "WORK, in PROGRESS," by the way, NOT ONCE have I EVER SAID, nor will I EVER SAY, that the VERY LIGHT of CHRIST'S EXAMPLE ALWAYS SHOWS in my BEHAVIOR, because I'd be a PERFECT LIAR, as well as TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION of the VERY INTEGRITY of what a TRUE CHRISTIAN really is, if I HAD. What I AM saying is that WE, NOT YOU ALL, but WE, which ABSOLUTELY DOES INCLUDE MYSELF, as WELL as YOURSELF, as WELL as ALL of us, GLOBALLY, are MARCHING IN TUNE to the WRONG "COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF," who's the VERY GOD of this FALLEN WORLD, who's GLEEFULLY LEADING US to our OWN DESTRUCTION. Now, as ONLY ONE individual, who CERTAINLY DOESN'T wanna be ETERNALLY DESTROYED with him and his ANGELIC FOLLOWERS that were THROWN OUT of HEAVEN with him, I wanna COMPLETELY REVERSE MY course, and INSTEAD, MARCH IN TUNE to the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, who's the ONLY TRUE GOD of the UNIVERSE, who wants to ONLY LOVINGLY LEAD ANYONE to COMPLETE, ETERNAL BLISS, the "PERFECT UTOPIA" for ALL ETERNITY, and as MUCH as I TRULY WISH/HOPE that ANY of YOU that HAVEN'T made that VERY SAME DECISION as I'VE made, WOULD make the VERY SAME DECISION, ONLY BECAUSE there's ALWAYS ROOM for MORE BROTHERS and SISTERS to join me in GOD'S FAMILY, MY DECISION doesn't make YOURS, ANY MORE than YOURS makes MINE, which ONLY MEANS that "you can ONLY BRING water to the horse; it's ONLY UP to the HORSE, ALONE, to either DRINK, or die of thirst."
Terrance, keep spreading the word of God; more people need Jesus in their lives.
Read that profile and you'll wonder if he's marching to the tune.
Sorry, had to.
OK, Forereel, how about YOU explaining what my ENTIRE PROFILE has to do with the VERY FACT that you're ONLY FIXATED on ONLY the part of what I had to say about myself, and the type of relationship I want, rather than what I wrote for "WORDS of WISDOM," or EVEN YET, my LAST post (POST 54). Let's REELY (REALLY) see if you ARE "FOR REAL!"
MY bad--I meant: POST 52.
I don't need a dead guy with holes in him in my life.
OK, Imprecator, I hear you VERY CLEARLY--the ONLY SLIGHT CORRECTION to your POST is that you don't WANT HIM, even though you're COMPLETELY AWARE of the INESCAPABLE FACT that you DO need HIM, whereas, for as long as you continue to CHOOSE to BLATANTLY REJECT HIM, you WON'T HAVE HIM, EVEN IF you should CHOOSE to cross over into ETERNITY WITHOUT HIM, which you're TOTALLY FREE to do. It's ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS for your RIDICULOUS PROTESTS, as though you're being LITTERALLY FORCED AGAINST YOUR OWN WILL to live in EVERLASTING PEACE! HEAVEN ISN'T a "PRISON for the UNWILLING REDEEMED," who were just SUDDENLY ABDUCTED, UNEXPECTEDLY, without a FIGHT." ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE, THERE, will you find ANYONE that DOESN'T WANT to be there, so CALM DOWN!
Sorry about that typo in POST 58.
Trutillion states that the joy of the redeemed is made complete by the screams
of the damned. So you'll need some damned in order to make your time in
heaven worthwhile. Even if some of us would refuse to satisfy the sadistic by
screaming. Looks like you're good to go.
TRUTILLION, just as ANY/ALL OTHERS that AREN'T BIBLICALLY-GROUNDED, doesn't surprise me, ONE BIT, with THAT amount of FALLACY!
And this is why i am not a Christian. I'll gladly be falsely accused of worshiping
the devil over a god who is represented by this topic. I mean, really. Its like no
one ever even read the bible. I'll go back to my magic spell casting ways now,
and hope i don't get caught by god, i mean the devil, i mean, wait what? I don't
even cast spells, its just another thing Christians make up to make themselves
feel better about killing witches.
meh, Double posting.
* I meant Turtillion.
And Terrance, Turtillion is one of those classic fathers of Christianity celebrated by Catholics, possibly responsible for hand-copying some of the texts you now have the luxury of reading.
To say Turtillion isn't Christian is to say that I don't have two feet. You might say he was wrong on this or that account.
But I apologize for my typo to anyone who googled.
Nope you were right, it's Tertullian.
Anyone curious about the actual roots of the hellfire fundamentalists, look up Jonathan Edwards, in particular his speech titled "Sinners In the Hands Of An Angry God". It actually caused a lot of suicides during his lifetime.
Modern fundamentalism is based on Eddwards, whether or not they wish to admit it.
Chelsea says "Terrance, keep up the good work".
I concur.
You're doing a better job of turning people away from fundamentalist Christianity than any of us well-meaning atheists and agnostics could ever do. I suppose there's always the risk that someone new falls for the silliness, but I bet there'll be more people turned away by it than taken in by it. So keep on. This is one of those funny cases where you're doing precisely what you're afraid of doing.
Suppose your only recourse is to shut up and let it die, eh?
Plus if he keeps it up, some of us will simply show up to provide explanations for the questioners who are still in.
its people like you who made me want to not go back to church. I used to every sunday, and I had a good time. But when I hear people talk like this, telling people they are damned because they don't believe exactly what that big book tells them to, or what ever... alright, I'm done.
Kinda have to say that I don't know why this topic has gone on for as long as it has. I mean, let it die already.
Cause you guys keep posting your nonsensical dribble on it. I pray that you all find Jesus someday; he is waiting for you, if you ever change your mind and choose to accept him into your life.
Speaking of nonsensical dribble.
I found him in the dumpster out back.
EXACTLY, Chelslicious--now, HERE'S an EXTREMELY SIMPLE QUESTION, the perhaps SIMPLEST, or maybe right in that AREA: in ANY of MY POSTS, of ANY of the topics that I've posted, how did you manage to come up with accusing me of damning anyone to HELL out of all that I REALLY said, and STILL say, which is that with OUR GOD-GIVEN FREE WILL, and the VERY INESCAPABLE FACT that we're ALL headed toward the VERY DAY that we're ALL going INTO ETERNITY, whether we CHOOSE to believe that such exists or not, that where WE, and WE, ONLY, DECIDE our OWN ETERNAL DESTINY, which is ONLY either HEAVEN OR HELL, ONLY ACCORDING to what GOD, HIMSELF, says, whom I'M ONLY QUOTING, who DOES love ALL of us, who SACRIFICED HIS TOTAL GODHOOD, HIMSELF, in the VERY PERSON of HIS SON, who gave his VERY LIFE in FULL EXCHANGE for MY LIFE, YOUR LIFE, ANY/ALL LIVES, ONLY to FOREVER BREAK the VERY CURSE of SIN, by RECONSILING ANY of us that would want to be a FULL PART of HIS "RECONSILIATION PLAN" that ONLY HE CAN, and HAS, CREATED? I'M CERTAINLY NOT the one that's responsible for ANY/ALL of what GOD says, EVEN THOUGH I AM, NOT ONLY RESPONSIBLE, but TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE, for FINALLY RESPONDING to HIS PLAN of SALVATION of MY soul from the VERY LAKE of FIRE that ABSOLUTELY NONE of us that's STILL on THIS side of ETERNITY would EVER have to go to, since HE, and HE, ONLY, is the ONLY ESCAPE, and that if I AM quoting HIS WORD, MY RESPONSIBILITY is to QUOTE HIM ACCURATELY. If I HADN'T DONE THAT in ANY of MY POSTS of THESE TOPICS, which is the ONLY REASON for ANYONE to be DRIVEN AWAY from GOD'S DIVINE MESSAGE of ETERNALLY-UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, ONLY BECAUSE I might've UNSCRIPTURALLY INTERJECTED any of my OWN OPINION, ONLY ACCORDING to how I FELT, rather than ONLY SAYING EXACTLY what JESUS, whose WORD NEVER CHANGES, who's the same YESTERDAY, TODAY, and FOREVER, HIMSELF, SAYS, ALL I CAN, SHOULD, and DOWNRIGHT BETTER DO, is FIRST, ABOVE ALL, ask MY HEAVENLY FATHER, who EVER SO DESIRES to be YOURS, as WELL, if there's ANY of whom that's reading this thread that HE'S NOT, ALREADY, and DEFINITELY YOU, NEXT, to PLEASE FORGIVE me for ANY HERECY, EVER SPOKEN, and I SOLEMNLY PROMISE that there'll NEVER be ANY MORE BOARD TOPICS of this VERY NATURE from ME, EVER AGAIN.
Ah so it's like a Mexican prison then. Look up Jesús, he's the big one, and get on his good side by giving him what he wants, and he'll be your protection racket. Otherwise you gonna get it from the other boys in there. But of course it's your choice. He da man wid da good chit if you ready to pay.
Can't properly do a Cheech Marin in text format, but all this talk of Jesús has me thinking of Cheech and Chong.
lmao Leo. But to answer post 74, By saying if you don't accept the supposed
Jesus into your life your going to hell, your basically damning everyone who
isn't your religion or beliefs to hell. No, i don't follow Christianity, but does that
mean I'm going to hell? Who knows, and who is to say. None of us have talked
to the dead, and even if we have, how do we know its not different for
everyone? Whether or not you think hell is even real is up to you.
Even if I DID THINK that HELL isn't real, CERTAINLY DOESN'T MEAN that it's NOT, JUST BECAUSE I don't want it to be--AGAIN: WHATEVER DISAGREEABLE DISAGREEMENT that YOU HAVE against GOD'S ABSOLUTELY-INERRENT WORD ISN'T with ME, so OBVIOUSLY, the BIBLE isn't ACCORDING to what I CHOOSE to BELIEVE; what I CHOOSE to BELIEVE is ACCORDING to the BIBLE. THEREFORE, the PYRAMETERS that ONLY GOD, HIMSELF, has ALREADY ESTABLISHED are EXACTLY as I quote them. As I've CONSTANTLY REMINDED you, and STILL DO: GOD DOESN'T want ANYONE that HE'S CREATED in HIS OWN LIKENESS and IMAGE to EVER go to where SATAN and the OTHER FALLEN ANGELS are IRREVERSABLY/ETERNALLY destined for; HIS PERFECT WILL for US is the ONLY PROTECTION, EVER OFFERED to MANKIND, is our ONLY PROTECTION. Outside of THAT, YES, WE, whether YOU, I, or ANYONE ELSE, LIKES IT or NOT, are on the VERY SAME HELL-BOUND PATH that the DEVIL and the FALLEN ANGELS are on.
From www.letusreason.org: "God’s intention to save man from the beginning
Some see the crucifixion as a tragedy, instead of a triumph. They see with human eyes a bloodied man and injustice; they miss the spiritual significance of someone who went there willingly, it was not a mistake.
Jesus in John 10:14-15 explains "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. "As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.' V.17-18 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."
His instructions came from God, the Father, and he obeyed Him perfectly.
Heb 10:5-7 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you had no pleasure. Then I said, 'Behold, I have come-- in the volume of the book it is written of Me-- to do Your will, O God.' "
The father did not desire the sacrificial system to continue, He sent the Son as a final and ultimate sacrifice for sin.
Rev. 13:8 tells us there is coming a time (called the Tribulation) where all, except believers in Jesus will worship another man. “All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
The “Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” was God’s plan when He began to create the earth, God had a provision in his mind. God who sees the end with the beginning saw man sin and had a solution, but it would be millennia until it came to fruition.
Before God created anything He had the knowledge of all things and knew what the future would be. He did not intend the fall but was able to work through it by a plan that would extend through the ages. God had the conclusion from the beginning.
Isaiah expressing a type of Christ, prophesies of one who will come to earth and take away sin for God. in Isa. 6:7-10 And he touched my mouth with it, and said: "Behold, this has touched your lips; your iniquity is taken away, and your sin purged." Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I! Send me." And He said, "Go, and tell this people: 'Keep on hearing, but do not understand; keep on seeing, but do not perceive.' "Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and return and be healed." The last part Jesus quotes in his ministry (Jn.12:39).
Isa. 42:18-21 "Hear, you deaf; and look, you blind, that you may see. Who is blind but My servant, or deaf as My messenger whom I send? Who is blind as he who is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant? Seeing many things, but you do not observe; opening the ears, but he does not hear." The LORD is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; he will exalt the law and make it honorable."
Heb.1:8-12 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions." And: "You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will fold them up, and they will be changed. But You are the same, and Your years will not fail."
Only one who is eternal can plan the course for mankind and accomplish as planned. The eternal one whom the Father calls the Son.
Isa. 48:16-17 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit have sent Me." Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you to profit, who leads you by the way you should go.
Here we have Jesus explaining whom He was with from the beginning (the Father and the Spirit), and who He is. He was the one sent to become the redeemer, the savior (Isa. 63:7-8).
Mt. 13:34-35 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world" (Psalms 78:1 by Asaph).
Who can know such wonderful things except the eternal one himself?
Matt 25:34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
God look down the corridor of time from the beginning of creation and had a kingdom in mind.
Eph 1:4 just as He has “chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love”
Who is the him we were chosen in? The Son, who existed before the world was.
2 Tim 1:9-10 “who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel”
There is a time coming where deception will grip all but a few in the world as the follow a false Messiah who will convince all but those chosen that he is Christ.
Rev. 13:8 “All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Its not that the lamb was actually slain before the world began because he had to become human (which only happened once). Its something that was worked out in the God’s mind as God knows the end before he starts the beginning. There is the plan and the execution of the plan in reality.
Just as we were predestined to have good works in Christ but had to be saved first to do them (Eph.2:10)
So too, Jesus was slain from the beginning of the world in god’s plan but was not actually slain until he was put on the Roman cross.
For this reason we read Phil. 2:8-11 “And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
1 Pet 1:19-21 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
“He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.”
As God sacrificed the first animal to cover Adam and Eve he gave His only Son for the final sacrifice for the sin of all."
From www.gotquestions.org: "Question: "Where do you go when you die?"
Answer: The Bible is absolutely clear that, ultimately, there are only two options for where you go when you die: heaven or hell. The Bible also makes it abundantly clear that you can determine where you go when you die. How? Read on.
First, the problem. We have all sinned (Romans 3:23). We have all done things that are wrong, evil, or immoral (Ecclesiastes 7:20). Our sin separates us from God, and, if left unresolved, our sin will result in us being eternally separated from God (Matthew 25:46; Romans 6:23a). This eternal separation from God is hell, described in the Bible as an eternal lake of fire (Revelation 20:14–15).
Now, the solution. God became a human being in the person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1, 14; 8:58; 10:30). He lived a sinless life (1 Peter 3:22; 1 John 3:5) and willingly sacrificed His life on our behalf (1 Corinthians 15:3; 1 Peter 1:18–19). His death paid the penalty for our sins (2 Corinthians 5:21). God now offers us salvation and forgiveness as a gift (Romans 6:23b) that we must receive by faith (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–9). “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). Trust in Jesus alone as your Savior, relying on His sacrifice alone as the payment for your sins, and, according to the Word of God, you are promised eternal life in heaven.
Where do you go when you die? It is up to you. God offers you the choice. God invites you to come to Him. It is your call.
If you feel God drawing you to faith in Christ (John 6:44), come to the Savior. If God is lifting the veil and removing your spiritual blindness (2 Corinthians 4:4), look to the Savior. If you are experiencing a spark of life in what has always been dead (Ephesians 2:1), come to life through the Savior.
Where do you go when you die? Heaven or hell. Through Jesus Christ, hell is avoidable. Receive Jesus Christ as your Savior, and heaven will be your eternal destination. Make any other decision, and eternal separation from God in hell will be the result (John 14:6; Acts 4:12).
If you now understand the two possibilities of where do you go when you die, and you want to trust Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, make sure you understand and believe the following, and as an act of faith, communicate the following to God: “God, I know that I am a sinner, and I know that because of my sin I deserve to be eternally separated from you. Even though I do not deserve it, thank you for loving me and providing the sacrifice for my sins through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus died for my sins and I trust in Him alone to save me. From this point forward, help me to live my life for you instead of for sin. Help me to live the rest of my life in gratitude for the wonderful salvation you have provided. Thank you, Jesus, for saving me!”
Have you made a decision for Christ because of what you have read here? If so, please click on the "I have accepted Christ today" button (visit site) below.
If you have any questions, please use the question form on our Bible Questions Answered page."
SO, ONCE AGAIN: whatever your protest is against GOD'S WORD CERTAINLY ISN'T EVER BECAUSE of anything that I said that HE DIDN'T say, INITIALLY.
Sorry for the typo in POST 77, when I wrote "is the ONLY PROTECTION" and "is our ONLY PROTECTION" in the same sentence.
I have a hard time believing in someone who sends his only sun to be torchered and killed, I don't care what the reasoning was.
If this god guy really does exist, he's obviously an incompetent bungler, and therefore not all powerful and all perfect or all wise if he couldn't get it right the first time.
i mean really. its like post 76 never even read the bible all the way through. It
contradicts itself on so many levels and points, and then just basically disproves
itself. Just think about a God who is so hateful, but then when the church needs
more money he suddenly becomes this all loving god? No. just no. If i really am
going to hell, that's perfectly fine with me. At least my friends will be there too.
WOW ...! To ALL of YOU POSTERS of POSTS 79, 80, and 81, if you ONLY KNEW the ABSOLUTE LEVEL of the VERY EPIDEMY of TOTAL INSANITY that's SUPER-LOUD AND CLEAR in EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, REGARDLESS of WHAT/WHO you BELIEVE in or NOT, and SUCH KNOWLEDGE was enough to LITTERALLY SCARE YOU ALMOST LIFELESS, but it STILL wouldn't've been enough to ACTUALLY DRIVE you to the VERY FOOT of the VERY CROSS, FIGURATIVELY, for SALVATION, all I can say is that with ALL HONESTY, and a COMPLETELY CLEAR CONCIENCE, I ALREADY DID, and will STILL CONTINUE to DO, for as LONG as MY HEAVENLY FATHER PERMITS me to, MY PART of SOUNDING the ALARM, WARNING of the IMPENDING DANGER, with the assistance of BIBLICALLY-ACCURATE RESOURCE MATERIAL from CAREFULLY-SELECTED WEBSITES that contain FULL CLARITY, along with BIBLICAL PASSAGES that are ASSOCIATED, combined with the ONLY WAY of ESCAPE from SUCH DANGER, and THAT'S ALL I can do. The rest is up to you. JESUS'S PLAN of SALVATION that HE WILLINGLY SACRIFICED HIS VERY LIFE and TOTAL DEITY, in order for such to EVER BE, is CERTAINLY ALL that HE can do. WHAT MORE is there for HIM to do that HE hasn't ALREADY done to RECONCILE the PERFECT UNION between HIMSELF and MANKIND, which was DEVASTATINGLY VIOLATED by ADAM and EVE'S CHOICE to fall into the devil's trap in the GARDEN of EDEN?
FACT: JESUS'S DEATH was NOT ONLY VOLUNTARY, first of all, but it was LITTERALLY under HIS SOVERGN CONTROL. In OTHER words, since JESUS was as SIMULTANEOUSLY HUMAN, %100-PLUS, TEMPORARILY, as HE'S GOD, ETERNALLY, why didn't HE, which HE DEFINITELY COULD'VE, INSTANTLY, COMPLETELY AVOID ALL that HE ENDURED, INCLUDING DEATH, ITSELF, in OUR PLACE, for ALL of OUR SINS that we've EVER COMMITTED, and STILL DO, by just ZAPPING EVERY ONE of HIS TORMENTERS DEAD, RIGHT wherever they STOOD/SAT/WHATEVER, if HE'S the "EVIL MONSTER" that you claim that HE is? What FURTHER OBSURDITY do YOU HAVE in YOUR CORNER that GUARANTEES a DEFINITE WAY for you to HUMAN-LOGICALLY EXPLAIN how YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and GOD'S TOTALLY-INERRENT, ETERNAL WORD ISN'T?
NOW, if you think THAT'S not convincing enough, since GOD, HIMSELF, created ALL of the ANGELS, which included LUCIFER, who, of course, REBELLED against HIM, and led a third of the angels to do, LIKEWISE, and ALL TOGETHER were FOREVER THROWN OUT of HEAVEN, and NATURALLY, WE were ALSO created by GOD, in HIS LIKENESS and IMAGE, have you ever wondered why Lucifer, known as Satan, along with his ANGELIC FOLLOWERS in his rebellion, WASN'T included with us in GOD'S SALVATION PLAN? THAT question's ESPECIALLY in response to POST 81.
So then, why didn't the god operate under full disclosure in the garden of Eden? According to that recreation of a Somerian myth, the god only says that if they eat of the fruit, they'll die. He never informs them that their action will impact all of mankind. (personkind? otherkinkind?) Humanity.
Why didn't the god warn the participants about the place called hell either? In fact, the Genesis myth makes it sound like peple are mortal.
Even in the punishments in Genesis 3, where the judge takes judicial license to expand the situation beyond merely death for the two participants, he even then makes it sound like humans are mortals. "... for dust you are, and to dust you shall return."
Now by way of example, this is what the god's alleged plan would look like in a modern context:
I, an I.T. professional tell you, a salesperson or other office worker: "When you leave your desk, lock your workstation. Press control alt delete and select Lock. If you don't, someone else could get onto your computer when you're not there."
Now you accidentally do what tons of people accidentally do, you walk away from your desk to attend something, and forget to lock your workstation. A ton of times, even, before something actually happens.
Bujt if I came along and "judged" your misstep, your carelessness, and pranked you while you were gone, I, and not you, would ultimately be held responsible.
Not only that, wouldn't it be absurd if I somehow made it so that every computer you and your descendants everywhere used were to be compromised because of a single action? Wouldn't you have been right to protest? "Leo, you never told me that if I don't lock my workstation every computer I and my descendants for all time ever used would now be compromised and hacked!"
But that's the mythology, isn't it?
Tell the participants that if they mess this up, they themselves will die. Then after they *do* mess it up, enact some additional judgments, and expand the punishment to a default setting for all future-born generations.
Oh, and by the way, we engineers now have it so your office workstation will lock itself after a certain amount of inactivity.
The creators of your myths were quite obviously neither designers nor engineers. Mere artists spray painting the nearest wall and calling the resultant Rorschach blob to be both classical art and an ugly modern-art masterpiece.
Your religious benefactors, the Jews, have no Hell. Because when their myths were ultimately compiled circa 500 BCE in Babylon, neither the Helenic influence nor the religion of Zoroaster had yet infiltrated that part of the world.
Exactly Leo. and to add to that, You can spout all this stuff about angels and
Satan and stuff like that, but that doesn't mean anything to someone who
doesn't believe in them.
FIRST, POST 83'S ATTEMPTED ARGUMENT is DEFINITELY EQUIVALENT to a 20-mile-tall pile of mud that's about to be INSTANTLY LEVELED--ADAM and EVE'S "ACCIDENTAL CHOICE" launched what's STILL CURRENTLY PRACTICED, known as "PASSING the BUCK." NOW, through this rather BRIEF JOURNEY of how this "ACCIDENT" wasn't ANY of SUCH, AT ALL, a TOTALLY ACCURATE DESCRIPTION of what it was like for mankind PRIOR to this UNFORTUNATE EVENT, is CLEARLY SHOWN. In the ABSOLUTE VERY BEGINNING, when ALL of CREATION, INCLUDING MAN, was INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED by the ONE, ONLY TRUE, ALMIGHTY GOD, EVER WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE, ETERNALLY, ALL, INCLUDING MAN, that HE CREATED, WAS, as HIS ABSOLUTELY INFALLIBLE WORD says, "GOOD." If THAT'S the case, as far as MAN'S concerned, how was it EVER POSSIBLE for him to "INADVERTENTLY" mess up, or was it REALLY a DELIBERATE, FREE-WILL-MADE CHOICE? MAN, because he WAS, INDEED, created in the VERY LIKENESS and IMAGE of GOD, HIMSELF, NEVER MEANT that MAN, HIMSELF, IS GOD, which is EXACTLY WHY GOD, HIMSELF, who's the ONLY ONE that WAS, IS, and FOREVER will ALWAYS be ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, after having CREATED him, NEVER CALLED him "PERFECT," when HE ONLY called HIM "GOOD." Why? After ALL, it was MAN that GOD, HIMSELF, gave COMPLETE CONTROL of THIS ENTIRE WORLD to, who had EVERY GOD-GIVEN AUTHORITY to eat of ALL of EVERY TREE that was AVAILABLE to him, EXCEPT that ONE and ONLY FORBIDDEN TREE of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL.
From www.letusreason.org: "Who is blamed for bringing sin into the world?
"There are three involved in this matter. First is the one called Day star (the devil), both he and one third of the angels who rebelled were the only ones that were sinful. The Devil who was already fallen tempted Eve in the garden.
After Eve listened to the devil and obeyed his offer to eat from the trees forbidden fruit that would give her wisdom, she gave the fruit to her husband and he also participated in the disobedience of the command not to eat of the tree. So was it Eve or Adam that is to be blamed?
God said to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it' (Gen. 3:17). God looked to Adam because he gave the command directly to him and Eve was taken from Adam.
The first mention of the word sin is in Gen. 4:7. Cains offering is not accepted and he is told by the Lord "If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."
We see this image of sin first mentioned in Gen. 5:3 Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.” The meaning of “after the image of man” isthat the lineage of Adam is permanently in a fallen state that will affect all born.
Sin - Hebrew chatta'ah an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender: (Strong’s concordance)
1 Tim. 2:13-14 “Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.” Eve sinned by listening to this foreign intruder and was deceived in disobeying, but Adam listened to his wife and willingly disobeyed.
God puts the continuance of sin on Adam.
Rom. 5:12 “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned” V.17 “For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one”
V. 19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners.”
When the fall occurred the holiness that was to be passed on was annulled, the image of God was marred. Thus the transmission of life passed down from each generation now gives each person a sinful nature.
Rom 5:14 “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, (1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die).
This is why the sin nature is present at birth in every person throughout history (except one, Jesus born of a virgin (without a mans seed, who was conceived by the supernatural act of God by the Holy Spirit).
Adam and Eve after their sin HID from God, Genesis 3:8. this is now inbred in all man, who is born separate from their maker. Isaiah 53:6 “All like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way.” Man naturally strays, wanders from God.
Romans 3:11 "There are none, no not one, that seeks after God." The Word of God says we go in every direction but toward God.
John 3:19 (Jesus said) "This is the condemnation, that light is come into the world (Jesus is the light of the world), but men loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil." The darkness represents a condition which possesses no light. Man desires to be autonomous, free from any thought of God and be responsible. The light is the truth that comes into the world.
Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it?" Man has a bad heart. If we can't know our own hearts, how can we expect to know the true and living God.
We are all born sinful and are called sons of disobedience.
Eph 2:2; Eph 5:6; Col 3:6 the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience.
John 3:3 Jesus spoke "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Only those from the second birth (a spiritual one) will escape the judgment, this solution is offered to all.
Job 14:4-5 “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? No one! Since his days are determined, the number of his months is with You; you have appointed his limits, so that he cannot pass.”
Solomon who was the wisest man of his time said in Eccl. 9:3 “Truly the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil; madness is in their hearts while they live.”
From the new spiritual birth1 Peter 1:23 explains ‘having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever.” God’s word brings a new life as the Holy Spirit works to give light, truth. I Jn. 2:29 “everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” Instead of practicing deceit, lies sin, we now gravitate toward doing what is pleasing to God, as we are being shaped into the image of his son."
To RE-ITTERATE, the VERY FACT that EVE gave in to SATAN'S DISCEPTION, and that ADAM was a WILLING PARTICIPANT was COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE, POINT BLANK. "PASSING the BUCK" was SIMPLY the VERY RESULT of GOD'S having asked BOTH of them, TOGETHER, NOT SEPARATELY: "Have you eaten of the tree of which I told you not to?", and it was ADAM that responded with: "THIS WOMAN (NOT "BONE of MY BONE, FLESH of MY FLESH," or even her name, EVE, but FLAT-OUT "THIS WOMAN") that YOU GAVE me TEMPTED me, and I DID EAT." EVE CERTAINLY didn't wanna be left out of the "BLAME GAME" and blames the SERPENT for TEMPTING HER. It was ONLY THEN that SIN, after having entered into the world, that MAN sold what was ORIGINALLY RIGHTFULLY HIS to the devil, and BECAUSE of that, DEATH, which NEVER BEFORE EXISTED, became the ULTIMATE RESULT, which CLEARLY EXPLAINS how from THAT POINT ON, we've ALL been affected. It was ONLY THEN that GOD pronounced that MAN shall return to the VERY DUST from which he came--NONE OF THIS would've EVER BEEN, AT ALL, had ADAM and EVE NOT DELIBERATELY DISOBEYED "BY ACCIDENT."
To POST 84, SUCH MIGHT or MIGHT NOT mean ANYTHING to ME, EITHER, which is ABSOLUTELY NO MATTER, WHATSOEVER, ANYWAY. The VERY DIFFERENCE that DOES matter is that MY "BELIEF SYSTEM," if you will, is ONLY ACCORDING to ABSOLUTE, INFALLIBLE BIBLICAL TRUTH. ABSOLUTE, INFALLIBLE BIBLICAL TRUTH ISN'T ACCORDING to MY "BELIEF SYSTEM," OR YOURS, or ANYONE ELSE'S, because if it WAS, it would be ABSOLUTELY FALLIBLE, INSTEAD. What challenge do you have for THAT?
AGAIN, from www.letusreason.org: "Why do we sin today?
The greatest creature God ever made, Day Star (nicknamed Lucifer) fell in heaven and took 1/3 of all the angels in his rebellion against God. He then waited for the right time and showed up one day in the garden to deceive Eve, Adam participated in the same sin willingly. It is Adam that is primarily blamed because he was nearby when this took place and did nothing to stop it. God warned Adam about eating from the one tree that was off limits, He told Adam that he would die in the day that he disobeyed. So he did not go into this act blindly. Paul writes that
“the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness”(2 Cor. 11:3), “Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.’(1 Tim. 2:14)
The Bible explains that we no need to be deceived to sin because we have inherited the fallen nature of Adam. Why is it of Adam? Only Adam became a sinner by sinning. We are all born with a built-in death warrant, which is our sin nature, inheriting this sin nature, which brings illness, it brings flaws. We inherit our physical features and even hereditary defects from our line, why is it so difficult to believe that our sinful nature could be passed on as well? Scripture states “The wages of sin is death.” This explains why a child can die even when they are innocent of doing anything intentionally wrong, or consciously sin? They die before they have had a chance to willfully disobey because death is the consequence of sin. Sin is in humanity before we formulize what is right and right.
Romans 5:12 “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned” The result came from the sin of Adam. Humanity was infected and it produced death and made everyone sin.
Jesus himself explains that with the sin comes the sentence of condemnation, "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (Jn. 3:18)
Jesus gives us all the way out, “For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh” (Rom. 8:3)
A.T. Robertson explains “For that all sinned ef' (NT:1884) hoo (NT:3691) pantes (NT:3909) heemarton (NT:261). Constative (summary) aorist active indicative of hamartanoo (NT:261), gathering up in this one tense the history of the race (committed sin). The transmission from Adam became facts of experience. In the old Greek ef' (NT:1884) hoo (NT:3691) usually meant "on condition that," but "because" in the New Testament (Robertson, Grammar, p. 963) (from Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament).
Romans 5:12 Passed upon dieelthen (NT:1317) ef' (NT:1884). Literally, "came throughout upon." The preposition dia (NT:1211) denotes "spreading, propagation," as eis (NT:1500) "into" denoted "entrance."
(from Vincent's Word Studies of the New Testament).
Romans 5:18 - 19 says, “through one man’s trespass, judgment came to all men, for by one man’s disobedience all were made sinners.” This Scripture clearly shows sin is inherited through Adam’s disobedience, not ours. According to Rom.5 If one man (Adam) made us all sinners, it is also by one man (Jesus Christ) that can make us all righteous (those who believe). While we did not have a choice with sin -- we do have a choice to be in right standing with God through the righteousness of Christ and have the power to restrain from sin.
If one takes the position that we are not born sinners but only sin takes place by a choice then it means that everyone is born innocent (perfect), just like Jesus, without ever having a virgin birth. Paul writes that Sin entered the world through one man (Rom. 5:12-21), Adam. The term Original sin means Adam losing his original righteousness he was made with and passing it on to his offspring.
Paul’s point is that Adam’s sin was a single representative act for all his posterity, which is now reckoned to their account having sinned in him. Adam, as the first man was the natural headship of the human race. From him flows man’s fallen nature, passed on through reproduction. The sin nature affects the immaterial part of man, which is expressed by our outward actions. We sin because we have the nature of sin in us.
It is not just our physical actions that make us a sinner, but our mind is affected also. Sin shows its outworkings through our actions (Ps. 58; Job 15:14, 25:4; Eph. 2:3; Rom. 5:12-19), though we cannot see sin express itself all the time, it is still there waiting to be alive. Like a piece of firewood ready to be kindled by a small flame.
James explains how sin is birthed. Jm.1:14-15 “but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” The source of sin doesn’t come from the outside but from within, it is the temptation to sin that comes from outside and brings life to what is already there. We are drawn away from our own desires (the Greek means to be lured into a trap). It is not a single act, but a process that begins in our heart.
This sin nature is the basis for all sinful acts and habits, everything we do wrong. Many times we treat the symptoms but not the cause. King David claimed he was conceived in iniquity (Ps. 51:5). Meaning even he was not exempt from the inheritance of sin, it was there from the beginning of his life in the womb.
Religion with its rules and regulations try to control our fallen nature by conforming the outer man to do what is right. These same religions have us believe that we can then depend on our own works to merit right standing before God.
The Bible says, “The heart is deceitfully wicked out of which flow all kinds of evils.” Jesus said a similar thing to thoise who meticulously cleaned the outside
"But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. "These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man." (Matt 15:18-20)
Jesus points to the innermost being of man- his spirit. The only solution for cleansing is God’s solution - change the heart. How? By the new birth which takes place on the inside of man. Our dead spirit needs to be regenerated (Rom. 8:1; Gal. 5:24) by the Spirit of God. Once we are made alive, spiritually, we are able to have a vital relationship to God through Jesus Christ. God’s answer is a new nature, what Adam lost, we are given even more.
Those who believe on his sacrifice have his righteousness imputed to us and are continually changed by the sanctification process, by the Holy Spirit to counter the effects of sin."